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HELP: What are Gotras ?? What are the common gotras among = Khatris=20 ??

Punjabi.net=20 discussions chat forums: Punjabi Culture = Society=20 Traditions Customs Language History People Castes Identity: Punjabi Muslim = Hindu Sikh=20 Names, SurNames, Family, Clan Names : Meaning of your Name?: Punjabi Hindu Sikh = Names -=20 The Origins of Names & Surnames & Family Histories: Punjabi Surnames, = Titles=20 & Family, Clan Names & their Origins: HELP: What are Gotras = ?? What=20 are the common gotras among Khatris ??

Ano= nymous=20 ne likhya Monday, December 19, 2005 - 01:21 am nu punjabi.net=20 te

I am quite certain the last name Jaitley is = Khatri/Kshatriya from=20 Punjab by origin, but does anyone know the history/meaning behind the = name?=20

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Ano= nymous=20 ne likhya Tuesday, October 25, 2005 - 04:11 pm nu punjabi.net=20 te

what is the gotra for kakkars?=20

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MSingh=20 ne likhya Friday, July 22, 2005 - 03:13 pm nu punjabi.net=20 te

Can any one enlighten me on the Gotra of Sabhrawal within = the=20 Khatri Caste.....=20

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rohit=20 ne likhya Thursday, November 25, 2004 - 02:46 pm nu punjabi.net=20 te

well after readings the so called gotra and castes i now = realized=20 that indian people are the mixture of aborigions and invadings attackers = like=20 saka and hoonas.if rajputs are the offsprings of hoon and saka then why = we reads=20 the falls history like that rajputs are originated from the fire or moon = . is it=20 possible or only to
kept the rest of aborigions in darks. i belongs = to bhar=20 or rajbhar which were known as the ancient kshtriya of india but now = their=20 condition are worse then the lowest starta of society thanks to the = cannivance=20 of rajputs and so called brahmin. i belongs to bhardwaj gotra this gotra = also=20 finds in rajputs and brahmin. it means that invadings attackers were = assimilated=20 in the hindu society and the gotra and title as well as name of ancient = emperor=20 were given to these attackers.there is significant respect of brahmin = among=20 rajputs and other so called forward community b'coz these community are = greatful=20 to brahmin who had given them the highest starta in brahminical = hierachy.BJP is=20 only wants the status quo of this hiearchy thats why it is now turning = back to=20 hindutava. i request all the OBC TO not to bent down to the evil design = of BJP.=20
THANKS=20

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Rana= =20 ne likhya Monday, July 26, 2004 - 03:01 pm nu punjabi.net=20 te

bassi is a khatri surname=20

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Ano= nymous=20 ne likhya Thursday, July 22, 2004 - 06:44 pm nu punjabi.net=20 te

Namaskar,

It is my request to get some details = about Bassi=20 Surname. Which caste group does it fall in and what is the history = behind it. Is=20 this surname based on people fro Dera Bassi near Chandigarh or is it one = of the=20 sub castes of Vashnus or vashists. Do they belng to any of the other = caste=20 groups in Punjab.

Thank you in advance for the contribution to = acquire=20 this knowledge.=20

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MM=20 ne likhya Sunday, July 11, 2004 - 06:48 pm nu punjabi.net=20 te

JASSI ? WHAT ARE YOU EXPECTING FROM A PERSON WHO LACKS = KNOWLEDGE OF=20 THIS SUBJECT.=20

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Puneet=20 ne likhya Friday, July 09, 2004 - 07:07 am nu punjabi.net=20 te

Jassi,

Do u have any information about kapahi = surname.=20

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nikki=20 ne likhya Wednesday, July 07, 2004 - 08:31 am nu punjabi.net=20 te

Can somebody say what's the gotra of kapurs, please? =

Thanks=20 in advance=20

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JASSI=20 ne likhya Thursday, May 20, 2004 - 11:09 am nu punjabi.net=20 te

ONE OF PUNJABI khokhrain KHATRI, DR MANMOHAN SINGH KOHLI IS = NOW THE=20 PRIME MINISTER OF INDIA,THE LARGEST DEMOCRACY OF THE WORLD. = CONGRATULATIONS TO=20 ALL PUNJABIS WORLDWIDE.=20

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jassi=20 ne likhya Wednesday, April 21, 2004 - 11:27 am nu punjabi.net=20 te

There were several Indo-Scythic Races and tribes which = entered=20 india before ist century - The `Sakas' or Scythians entered India from = central=20 asea surrounding caspean sea(south west of Russia and largely now CIS = countries=20 like kazakastan,tajakastan,Ukraine etc.) in the centuries around the = birth of=20 Christ. They are Sun-worshippers (Sauras). The Rajputs/Khatris are of=20 overwhelmingly Scythic stock. Indeed, one can even tell which Saka race = is=20 derived from which Central Asian stock :

Scythic Race -Modern = Descendant=20
------------ -----------------
Avar- Abhira
Khazar -Gujjar, = Gujarati=20
Getae -Jat
Tokharian -Thakur
Sarmatians -(Sauro Mati) = Saurashtrians=20
Hun -Hoon Rajcula of Rajputs
Catti- khatri, Kathiawadians =
Sassanian-=20 Sassodia Rajcula ofRajpute

Although most of these tribes came = from same=20 locations aroun caspian sea but due to periodical gaps and genetical=20 distinguishness of each tribes we can find these differences even today = despite=20 mixing and intermarriages of these tribes.=20

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Reenita<= /A>=20 ne likhya Wednesday, April 21, 2004 - 12:20 am nu punjabi.net=20 te

Anybody have any information at the 'Hora' family from = Sialkot,=20 Punjab. I beleive we are Khatri Punjabis=20

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jassi=20 ne likhya Tuesday, April 20, 2004 - 09:09 am nu punjabi.net=20 te

anonymos may be right, although khukhrains are listed in = nagavansi=20 but thier castes are not listed in nagavansi.the anomaly in caste = systems=20 happens over centuries when certain sections of castes got merged with = another=20 major tribe as happened with so called khukhrains when they fought along = with=20 khokhars rajputs.=20

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different = groups ne likhya Friday, April 16, 2004 - 03:28 pm nu = punjabi.net te

I have heard people mention that some Khatri or our castes = are from=20 the Sun group or Moon group (I may be incorrect with the right = terminology) but=20 for anyone who knows what I'm talking about, can you enlighten me on = this=20 topic?, and explain each group?,and who belongs to each group? thanks in = advance!=20

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Ano= nymous=20 ne likhya Friday, April 16, 2004 - 07:58 am nu punjabi.net=20 te

No Jassi,
I am afraid you are wrong again.

Here = is the=20 list I promised earlier:
a. Chandrbansi (Gotra) -> Anand, Bhasin=20 (surname)
b. Virbansi (Gotra) -> Chadha (surname)
c. = Surajbansi=20 (Gotra) -> Sahni (surname)
d. Chandarbansi (Gotra) -> Koil, = Sabarwal=20 (surname)

Regards=20

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jassi=20 ne likhya Wednesday, April 14, 2004 - 08:22 am nu punjabi.net=20 te

YES I GAVE YOU JUST MORE DETAILS, THEY ARE = NAGAVANSI..=20

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Ano= nymous=20 ne likhya Tuesday, April 13, 2004 - 11:37 pm nu punjabi.net=20 te

Jassi,

These are NOT the correct Gotras. What you = are=20 saying are just the surnames/last names for the Khokharain Khatris. You = are=20 incorrectly using the surnames as Gotras.

HS Rose characterises = these 8=20 surnames in 4 Gotras. I dont remember these Gotra names right now but = will post=20 these later.

Hope this clarifies....=20

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mres= =20 ne likhya Tuesday, April 13, 2004 - 07:55 am nu punjabi.net=20 te

Hello Jassi,
Do you know the Gotra of "Ahuja" Punjabi = Khatris?=20

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jassi=20 ne likhya Tuesday, April 13, 2004 - 09:55 am nu punjabi.net=20 te

as quoted by Rana earlier..khokhrain surnames are Anand,=20 Bhasin,Chadda,Sahni,Suri,Sethi,Kohli and
Sabharwal.These eight took = part in=20 a rebellion with
Khokhar Rajputs against the Kingdom of that time = thus=20
called Khokhrain.=20

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i=20 agree ne likhya Monday, April 12, 2004 - 07:14 = pm nu=20 punjabi.net te

Yes I agree, very nice info jassi.

Do you know any = info=20 about the last name Jairath or Jerath??

Thanks in advance : = )=20

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Ano= nymous=20 ne likhya Monday, April 12, 2004 - 05:32 pm nu punjabi.net=20 te

Hello Jassi2222,

Very Nice Info....

Do you = / anyone=20 knows about the Gotras for Khokharain Khatris ?=20

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jassi2222=95=95hotm= ail=95=95=95=95=95=20 ne likhya Saturday, April 10, 2004 - 11:20 am nu punjabi.net=20 te

Kshatryas are now divided into 49 tribes or gotras: 7 into=20 somavansi, 7 suryavansi, 7 agnivansi, 7 nagavansi, 7 sarasvansi (or = apavansi), 7=20 govansi (or bhumivansi) and 7 vayuvansi.

Suryavansi: (Raghava or = Raghuvans): Kachwaha, Haiwaha, Rathor, Balla, Tomar, Senghar, Gaur=20
Chandravansi (Yadava or Yaduvans): Jadon, Bharra, Dahia, Sammad, = Jethwa,=20 Silahar, Chavada
Agnivansi: Pramara, Parihara, Chalukya, Chauhan, = Jhalla,=20 Scindia, Dora
Nagavansi : Tank, Meir, Bais, Bhatti, Dabhi, Anwan, = Khukrain=20
Govansi (or Bhumivansi): Bhandari, Gurjara, Bhalla, Kushi, Nair, = Bhonsla,=20 Katoch
Apavansi (or sagarvansi): Kapur, Wahi, Wadhva, Duggal, = Kochar,=20 Dhawan, Mehra
Vayuvansi: Khanna, Tandon, Kakar, Chopra, Sami, Sahni, = Uppal=20

The Suryavamsha as well as the Somavamsha originated from = the common=20 ancestor, the great Brahma. His sons were : Marichi ;his son sage = Kashyap; his=20 son Vivaswan or Surya i.e. Sun, and the descendants vamsha was = Suryavamsha, the=20 other son of Brahma was Atri.and his sons were Sagar or samundar i.e. = sea (from=20 which the apavansi or sagarvansi sprang and Sagar’s son was = Soma or=20 Chandra, and his descendants were the Somavansa. From his own body, = Brahma=20 created Svayamabhuva Manu, a male and Shatarupa, a female. Humans = descended from=20 Manu and so are known as manava. And subsequently from them appeared the = Prachetas. They created wind (vayu) and fire (agni) from their mouths, = whence we=20 have the Vayuvansi and Agnivansi clans.
The earth is said to have = derived=20 its name from Prithu, the 6th king of the line of Vaisasvata. From this = we have=20 the Bhumi- or Govansi. Manu eldest son of Iksvaku, king of Kosaldesa = (Ayodhia).=20 A few generations later came Masndhatri, in whose line the 31st king was = Harishchandra, wellknown to live for truih. Raja Sagar of the same clan=20 performed the ashvamedha yajna (from him we have the Apavansi ). and his = great=20 grandson bhagirath is reputed to have brought ganga on earth by virtue = of his=20 penances.=20

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JASSI=20 ne likhya Saturday, April 10, 2004 - 11:41 am nu punjabi.net=20 te

GOTRAS OF Khatris ARE AS BELOW
Apavansi

It may = be noted=20 that the Sakas also had a water branch called: the Ap=E2 Sak=E2 ('Water = Sacae') also=20 known as the Pausikoi, as Herodotus prefers to call them. Later authors, = like=20 Arrian of Nicomedia (in his Anabasis) and Ammianus Marcellinus (in his = Roman=20 history) call them the Abian Scythians; still later, we encounter them = as the=20 Apasiaki, first east and later southwest of Lake Aral. They must be = situated=20 along the ancient lower reaches of the Amudar'ya. The apavansi of = rajputs are=20 currently divided into the following tribes:
Formerly Khatris were = also=20 divided into many sub-groups. They are divided into 3 classes: Charjati, = Barajati and Bavanjati. On the top are=20 ’’dhai-gharas” (Charjati ) or those = belonging to=20 the “two and a half houses.” Followed by the Bhahris = and=20 Bhunjais. The “Bahris” or the = “twelvers”=20 and a a large mixed group of “Bhunjais” or=20 “fifty-twoers” which includes almost all the = remaining with=20 the Sarin group. Another division is in the vansis mentioned here. = Khatri=20 surnames like Bhatia, Bhandari, Chopra, Chowdhri, Dhawan, Duggal, = Kapoor,=20 Khanna, Kochhar,Mehra,Maindharu, Mahendru, Sahgal, Sami, Sahni, Sethi, = Tandan,=20 Talwar, Uppal, Vohra , Wadhwa, etc., are commonly used among Hindus of = Punjab.=20 Rose pg. 507-508 “In the Kashmir hills however,the Kakkas,on = the east=20 bank of the Jhelum,are said to have been originally Khatris(they are a = curiously=20 handsome race)and in the interior and the Kangra hills there is an = interesting=20 race of fine patriarchal-looking shepherds called Gaddis,most of whome = are=20 Khatris.Khatri traders are numerous in Delhi;are found in Agra, = Lucknow,and=20 Patna; and are well known in the Bara Bazar of Calcutta,though they are=20 principally connected with Punjab farms”. They are not usually = military in their character,but are quite capable of using the sword = when=20 necessary. Diwan sawan Mal, governor of Multan,and his notorious = successor=20 Mulraj,and very many of Ranjit singh’s chief functionaries = were=20 Khatris. There is a record of a Khatri Diwan of Badakshan of Kunduzi. = The=20 Khatris are staunch Hindus. The clans to which the first Sikh gurus = belonged=20 seem to have lost their Khatri status.

36. Kapoor/Kapur =

Kapur is=20 said to mean the moon,’karpur’.Kapur Singh led = guerilla=20 warfare against Mughals and their Afghani allies from 1721 AD = – 1748=20 in the Panjab was a Kahtri. The dewan Sawan Mull, governor of Multan, = and his=20 successor Mulraj Chopra, were Khatri. It is said that a Khatri was dewan = of=20 Kunduz. The Khatri claim to be descendants of the old Khetrya, written = also=20 Chetrya and Kshatrya. The Kukka east of the Jhelum and the Gaddi of the = Kangra=20 hills are said to have been Khatri originally.We find by Arrian, that = the Cathei=20 were confederated with the Malli and Oxydracere, that is the people of = Multan=20 and Katch, and which to the south where Alexander might be supposed to = cross the=20 Hydraotes (Ravi), he appears to have been drawn out of the direct route = towards=20 the ganges, to attack the city of Sangala. Sangala occurs only in = Arrian, (it is=20 probably the Sagala of Raja Millinda (Manindra), a subject to = Mihirakula) and is=20 said to have been a city of great strength and importance in the country = of the=20 Cathei. (Cathei might be either the Kathi or the Khatri). If the Katheri = of=20 Diodorus Siculus are the same as the Cathi, they are the race that so = manfully=20 opposed Alexander. They were then located at about Multan, at this = period=20 occupied by the Langa race. Colonel Tod describes the genuine as of a = fine manly=20 form, and claims they are of Scythian origin (Tod, Rajastahn p. 246) The = cathi=20 claim descent from the Balla, another proog of their northern origin. A = portion=20 of them gave their name to Kattyawar, in the Saurashtra peninsula. =

37.=20 Wadhva. Also known as Vadhvani (in Sindh) and Wadhel.

38. Wahi , = Vahal=20 or Wahla, Wahal(a).

39. Duggal

40. Kochar Kochar is said = to come=20 from ‘ Kavach’,’armour’. =

41.=20 Dhawan or Dhaun. Dhawan,or Dhavan,is said to mean a messanger on the = field of=20 battle.

42. Mehra (mehrotra) Mehra is said to be derived from = Mihir,the=20 sun or mihiragotra.

Vayuvansi

43. Khanna ; Khanna is = derived=20 from khan,a sapper or khanda, a sword.

44. Tandon Tandan is also = said to=20 be an abbreviation of Martand and to mean the sun,but it is also said to = mean=20 warrior.

45. Kakar use the title of Seth or Sethi. Seth means = rich and=20 also Raja. Kakkar is said to be originally = Karkar,’strong’=20 or ‘powerful’.

46. Chopra Chopra are named = after a=20 great warrior Chaupat Rai who
was killed in a battle against Sultan = Mahmud.=20

47. Sami

48. Sahni. Seni are both said to be = corruptions of=20 the Sanskrit. Sainini the head of an army or general.

49. Uppal = or Oppal=20

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ME = (62.254.0.16) ne likhya Friday, April 02, 2004 - = 07:03=20 pm nu punjabi.net te

Gotras mean Surnames or Family Names.=20

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randip singh = (82.36.148.111) ne likhya Sunday, February 29, = 2004 -=20 09:49 pm nu punjabi.net te

Gotras are surnames.........however........you can have the = same=20 surname in many castes.........for example Uppal........this is a Jatt = and=20 Khatri surname....;)=20

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KudiUSA = (67.124.37.91) ne likhya Sunday, February 29, 2004 -=20 09:42 am nu punjabi.net te

As I understand that all castes are associated with some = gotra.=20

What is the meaning of 'gotra' ? Can anyone be kind to explain = these to=20 me??

What are the common Gotras for Khatris ?

Thanks a = lot,=20

KudiUSA=20

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